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[Tramguy]

Simplistic as it might seem, I recall years ago flexible working hours was a partial solution.

[pc8556]

pccstreetcar4549, on 21 October 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

heres the thing, ive only walked a TR from one end to other 1-2 times, the rest of the time i get in on one car and stay in the car, maybe because im used to that in the older cars where walking between cars wasnt possible and dont forget the t-1s arent going anywhere (other than shifting onto the BD over time)

People have a hard time changing. Very few even read the bus signs, they just get on where they are used. Also most of the time I have ridden TR's it is really difficult to walk the length..people,legs,bags, the odd standee or rather lots of standees plus trying to hang on around curves etc. Not the easiest of missions............

[Ed Treijs]

pc8556, on 21 October 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

People have a hard time changing. Very few even read the bus signs, they just get on where they are used. Also most of the time I have ridden TR's it is really difficult to walk the length..people,legs,bags, the odd standee or rather lots of standees plus trying to hang on around curves etc. Not the easiest of missions............

I've done it a couple of times on uncrowded trains. I do agree that, when you're packed in at the crowded end of the train, it's almost impossible to make it to the other end--even assuming that it's not crowded either. (Unlike ALRVs or I guess high-floor buses, "there's space at the back" isn't a foolproof principle.)

It's quite amazing just how long these trains are when you walk them end-to-end!

By the way, Santiago Chile also has similar open-gangway cars (on at least one metro line), and while my experience riding these was very, very limited, I didn't see a whole lot of load-balancing movement there either.

Tramguy, on 21 October 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

Simplistic as it might seem, I recall years ago flexible working hours was a partial solution.

Years ago, sure. But off-peak riding is going up at least as fast as peak riding. I expect to have to stand on the lower reaches of the Yonge line, or west on Bloor out of Yonge, even at 8 PM. You'd have to put people on the graveyard shift....but wait, the Blue Night buses are often crush-loaded too!

[skyfirenet]

In case you missed your daily facepalm:

Fords put a Scarborough subway extension ahead of Downtown Relief Line

[shambala]

skyfirenet, on 23 March 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

In case you missed your daily facepalm:

Fords put a Scarborough subway extension ahead of Downtown Relief Line

Yes, cause it's been a while since we had a pissing contest between these two.

[FlyerD901]

Ford is just getting ready for next year.To him its a way to get Scarborough votes.

[skyfirenet]

One has to wonder just how badly he thinks of the people of Etobicoke. I mean, the DRL west is less important than the DRL east segment. However, it still would be far more useful to them than the Sheppard line.

[Tramway]

FlyerD901, on 23 March 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Ford is just getting ready for next year.To him its a way to get Scarborough votes.

At the expense of votes in the rest of the city, apparently.

http://www.forumrese...20130225%29.pdf (Scroll down to page 14)

[38 Highland Creek]

skyfirenet, on 23 March 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

In case you missed your daily facepalm:

Fords put a Scarborough subway extension ahead of Downtown Relief Line

That shoulda happened a decade ago when stickers for "Support The Scarborough Subway" went up. Or even three decades ago when the 2 Bloor-Danforth line got extended to Kennedy on the east side and Kipling on the west side in 1980.

[shambala]

38 Highland Creek, on 24 March 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

That shoulda happened a decade ago when stickers for "Support The Scarborough Subway" went up. Or even three decades ago when the 2 Bloor-Danforth line got extended to Kennedy on the east side and Kipling on the west side in 1980.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Sheesh, We get it already. You're preaching to the choir.

[collegekid13]

Very good update on the DRL (including an interview with Andrew King, the TTC's DRL public relations officer)

http://urbantoronto....h-torontos-core

[Articulated]

collegekid13, on 01 April 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Very good update on the DRL (including an interview with Andrew King, the TTC's DRL public relations officer)

http://urbantoronto....h-torontos-core

Notice the date of the posting, and the fact that (Saint) Andrew King just happens to be the same as the two stations the DRL would connect to. It's actually a well thought out plan and a decent job at an April Fool's joke, although the names used seem to give it away pretty easily.

[Orion9131]

I thought Andrew Bay was the TTC DRL Public relations officer?

[collegekid13]

Articulated, on 01 April 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Notice the date of the posting, and the fact that (Saint) Andrew King just happens to be the same as the two stations the DRL would connect to. It's actually a well thought out plan and a decent job at an April Fool's joke, although the names used seem to give it away pretty easily.

I know, still funny (sad.)

[rollsign29]

I know the guy that made the article and maps. He even fooled me!

[Kenster102.5]

Hey what would happen to the PATH system under places like TD Centre and Commerce Court if they were to build? That was well thought out joke.

[Gil]

Kenster102.5, on 05 April 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Hey what would happen to the PATH system under places like TD Centre and Commerce Court if they were to build? That was well thought out joke.

The connecting sections directly under the street aren't lined with shops. They're simply connecting tunnels. They're also pretty shallow, so if a subway line were built along say King or Queen Streets, they'd probably run beneath them. Keep in mind they do also have to cross the Yonge and University lines. Doing it at the PATH level would interfere with the station mezzanine. Queen has the added obstacle of the City Hall parking lot entrance on the south side. To my knowledge there isn't the same problem on King. Wellington, if we're going by the Urban Toronto plan would run into the parking garage sandwiched between University Ave. and the subway line.

To clear all of the utilities and existing subway lines, the DRL would likely be built even deeper. Of course, they'd have to navigate around all of the building foundations as well!



I like the idea of using the adjacent street for the station name, hence George (Jarvis could still work here, they can build at St. James Park), Peter and Victoria as well as Pecaut Square and Financial Core (not too fond of that one!). The Spadina station at Front could have been called Clarence Square. It'll definitely run aground on the TTC's updated naming conventions, and not to mention the possible confusion with St. George and Victoria Park. This is kinda how they deal with subway stations in Buenos Aires. The city is built on a 100-metre grid. With four parallel lines radiating from downtown you inevitably run into duplicate names. Where a suitable nearby attraction isn't available to name the station they simply use one of the adjacent streets and subtitle the name (like the University Line or Bay/Yorkville) with the major street. This is a more recent change as the earlier stations in the system do duplicate! The grid is so pervasive that ALL the streets are listed on the in-car strip map depending on the route in some of the older train sets. The cross street corresponding with the station in bold. (See attached cell pic)

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