Grummans in Ontario

[GM5000]

I'd guess a lot of those ex-SCVTA units were bought outright by National Refurbishing and leased around (some long term leases) to different agencies in Ontario. Putting all the pieces together for this one:

* SCVTA 1635, likely acquired by National Leasing after retirement, leased to: Brantford Transit 9817 (lasted 1996-1998), to Vaughan Transit 908 (BK2 788, ret 2000?), leased to Belleville Transit as 908 (BK4 232, Summer 2000)

Still unknown which Brantford one became Vaughan Transit 909.

Some corrections to the above (even though it's all old): 904 was actually a shorty 30' Orion I, 907 should be the ex-Dallas DART unit (probably an 800 or 900 series unit), and 908-909 ex-Brantford.

London had 23 of these giant tubs of goo. I'll fish out the list & post it at some point. One thing that made these notable while in LTC service was it was easy to apply the wrap to them, so they tended to be used a lot for total-wrap ad buses.

[Bernie]

There is some history how these Grumman's came to Windsor, Brantford and London. These three properties went to Calf. to review some buses they were shown New Looks not Grumman buses and that is what Transit Windsor thought they where getting until the Grumman's showed up in Windsor. TW was not happy with National Refurbishing with the change of buses, but kept them, that's why when to lease was done they told NF to get them off the property ASAP. They where nothing but a maintenance night mare, on some visit to the garage all six would be in for repairs, in fact #605 never run in service as it blow a engine when delivered and TW just never got around to replacing it when NR sent them a replacement one. The best thing Windsor did was to not purchase them from NR like Brantford and London did.

[G.A]

Would be nice to find some here still. I do remember riding the ones in Guelph. They had a nice comfortable seating, nice interior but it is a shame that they were not reliable.

[GM5000]

in fact #605 never run in service as it blow a engine when delivered and TW just never got around to replacing it when NR sent them a replacement one.

One of the London ones blew up on the 401 outside town. The person delivering it chose to ignore the series of check engine & low lube lights, figuring they were close enough they would make it, so it would be LTC's problem. These things were peices of crap, universally hated by operators, mechanics and passengers alike.

[TheAverageJoe]

One of the London ones blew up on the 401 outside town. The person delivering it chose to ignore the series of check engine & low lube lights, figuring they were close enough they would make it, so it would be LTC's problem. These things were peices of crap, universally hated by operators, mechanics and passengers alike.

You could see those things coming a KM or two away with the black smoke they gave out.