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[calamin]

Just thought I would throw some old pictures of Metro Transit out there for all to see.

Edited by A. Wong, 17 May 2010 - 12:22 PM.
Attached images removed for copyright violation

[stm_5307N]

Sweet! Love the painted Classics!

[M. Parsons]

calamin, on May 17 2010, 07:28 AM, said:

Just thought I would throw some old pictures of Metro Transit out there for all to see.

Could you please remove all of these images?

Someone jacked them from my website, reduced the image size, and remove the watermark.

Assuming it wasn't you that messed with the photos, the source would be appreciated so I can express my displeasure at them myself.

For the original, as intended images, see:

http://www.barp.ca/b...ifax/index.html

[calamin]

M. Parsons, on May 17 2010, 09:55 AM, said:

Could you please remove all of these images?

Someone jacked them from my website, reduced the image size, and remove the watermark.

Assuming it wasn't you that messed with the photos, the source would be appreciated so I can express my displeasure at them myself.

For the original, as intended images, see:

http://www.barp.ca/b...ifax/index.html

These where taken from scans of photos, these photos can also be found in our "Transit Museum" ( more or less a glass case) which has old pases, route maps and most if not all these photos are there.

[D40LF]

M. Parsons, on May 17 2010, 09:55 AM, said:

Could you please remove all of these images?

Someone jacked them from my website, reduced the image size, and remove the watermark.

Assuming it wasn't you that messed with the photos, the source would be appreciated so I can express my displeasure at them myself.

For the original, as intended images, see:

http://www.barp.ca/b...ifax/index.html

I agree with Martin, these photos are lifted of his site. After carefully comparing images it is clear that the barp watermark was cut off from the image. If they were scanned then you too would have the whole image. Shame on you for violating copyright and then not owning up to it. You should be grateful that people like Martin are sharing these photos for us to see, not ripping them off,

[calamin]

D40LF, on May 17 2010, 12:59 PM, said:

I agree with Martin, these photos are lifted of his site. After carefully comparing images it is clear that the barp watermark was cut off from the image. If they were scanned then you too would have the whole image. Shame on you for violating copyright and then not owning up to it. You should be grateful that people like Martin are sharing these photos for us to see, not ripping them off,

Again I have seen hard copies of these photos, where they came from no idea but the person that showed me is a 25 year driver with metro transit. I hve decided in light of the bashing I have recived for nothing more then wanting to share photos that where sent to me from a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE. I have decided to close my account as I feel I hve no need to discuss this information with anyone other then my fellow drivers and people that I have had contact with. You will be losing a source from the inside which could have been helpfull.

The last comment I have is where did you get the photos from, if the age on your profile is correct most of them where taken when you where 10 or younger which means some one else took them so that some one else owns them and if they gave them to you sorry. But a better way of dealing with this would have been a pm, I guess we can see who the adults are here

[M. Parsons]

D40LF, on May 17 2010, 09:59 AM, said:

I agree with Martin, these photos are lifted of his site. After carefully comparing images it is clear that the barp watermark was cut off from the image. If they were scanned then you too would have the whole image. Shame on you for violating copyright and then not owning up to it. You should be grateful that people like Martin are sharing these photos for us to see, not ripping them off,

In fairness, I suspected they didn't come directly from him and were something that was being passed around.

It's unfortunate that, once again, those of us who took the images, and in my case put out money to purchase them, scan them, and pay for my space on the internet, are not recieving credit where due.

Although, I don't think calamin is particularly at fault here.

[stm_5307N]

I hope you reconsider Calamin! Please do not leave because of this. There are people that truely appreciate the info you share regarding HFX Metro. Don't let comments, people over reacting without thinking bother you.

[A. Wong]

calamin, I don't think the responsibility for this is falling on your shoulders as M. Parsons stated. I'm sure you didn't deliberately take the photos from his website and remove the copyright. Someone did, but you probably aren't to blame, so there isn't any reason to leave. However, your decision is your prerogative, but I (and others) would be hopeful that you reverse your decision.

[D40LF]

My comment was meant to indicate that you should have at least looked at the offered link to see that the photos were indeed lifted from there, it is obvious. Did I say you did it? No. All I said was that you violated copyright by posting them and when confronted by the evidence quickly go on the defense. You could have said that you would look into it.

There are a lot of people who rip of photos from other photographers, I have had it happen myself, but Barp seems to be one of those that are hit hardest.

I am sorry if you took offense to my post, none was meant except that I questioned your defense without even considering the possibility that they were lifted.

[Silly Tilley]

D40LF, on May 17 2010, 02:08 PM, said:

My comment was meant to indicate that you should have at least looked at the offered link to see that the photos were indeed lifted from there, it is obvious. Did I say you did it? No. All I said was that you violated copyright by posting them and when confronted by the evidence quickly go on the defense. You could have said that you would look into it.

There are a lot of people who rip of photos from other photographers, I have had it happen myself, but Barp seems to be one of those that are hit hardest.

I am sorry if you took offense to my post, none was meant except that I questioned your defense without even considering the possibility that they were lifted.

While I understand your frustration here John, I think the anger is being directed the wrong way. calamin was probably just as shocked as we are when we saw the photos were lifted and by your response to him felt he needed to defend himself by explaining where we got the images. Some of the statements in your post such as "Shame on you" is something that isn't likely to be taken lightly by anyone, regardless of the situation. Overall, it's just another good example of why I refuse to post most of my photo collection online, save for a few images here and there.

[D40LF]

Silly Tilley, on May 17 2010, 01:17 PM, said:

While I understand your frustration here John, I think the anger is being directed the wrong way. calamin was probably just as shocked as we are when we saw the photos were lifted and by your response to him felt he needed to defend himself by explaining where we got the images. Some of the statements in your post such as "Shame on you" is something that isn't likely to be taken lightly by anyone, regardless of the situation. Overall, it's just another good example of why I refuse to post most of my photo collection online, save for a few images here and there.

Actually no frustration or anger. I was shocked that he jumped to a defense without even considering the possibility. It didn't take too much to look at the photos from both places and see what had happened. Again I never said he lifted them, but when presented with the evidence he could have taken action then instead of saying what he did.

[Halifax_Route10]

Silly Tilley, on May 17 2010, 02:17 PM, said:

While I understand your frustration here John, I think the anger is being directed the wrong way. calamin was probably just as shocked as we are when we saw the photos were lifted and by your response to him felt he needed to defend himself by explaining where we got the images. Some of the statements in your post such as "Shame on you" is something that isn't likely to be taken lightly by anyone, regardless of the situation. Overall, it's just another good example of why I refuse to post most of my photo collection online, save for a few images here and there.

I completely agree with this. Calamin, I'm sure you acted in good faith; the situation you described is exactly what I imagined.

Personally, I love my photos to viewed by as many people as possible, regardless of where they view them (hence the Creative Commons licensing on all of them), but I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for someone like Martin to have this happen to them.

[calamin]

I have decided to change my mind and I will stay. I am sorry for doing what I did even though I had no idea that they where on your site. I did take a look at your site that you posted and found some nice pics thank you for making them available to us. The main reason I have decided to stay is a few people who expressed that would like me to stay as I am a inside source

[stm_5307N]

calamin, on May 17 2010, 06:42 PM, said:

I have decided to change my mind and I will stay. I am sorry for doing what I did even though I had no idea that they where on your site. I did take a look at your site that you posted and found some nice pics thank you for making them available to us. The main reason I have decided to stay is a few people who expressed that would like me to stay as I am a inside source

Glad that your reconsidered and will be staying with us.

[97SCT]

M. Parsons, on May 17 2010, 10:55 AM, said:

Could you please remove all of these images?

Someone jacked them from my website, reduced the image size, and remove the watermark.

Assuming it wasn't you that messed with the photos, the source would be appreciated so I can express my displeasure at them myself.

For the original, as intended images, see:

http://www.barp.ca/b...ifax/index.html

i was looking at your Halifax GM Classic pics and i loved to ride them when i lived in Nova Scotia. the pic of 889 that says is on an unknown route dont ask me but yeah i got good vision lol. 889 was on the 80 Sackville route

[M. Parsons]

And on a related note we have this thread: http://www.cptdb.ca/...topic=9559&st=0

Unfortunately, we have someone else now messing with content from barp.ca and busdrawings.com.

This is why some of us a sensitve to this subject.

[hfx_chris]

D40LF, on May 17 2010, 02:08 PM, said:

All I said was that you violated copyright by posting them and when confronted by the evidence quickly go on the defense.

I think most normal people would go on the defence too when presented with a highly accusational comment like yours.

D40LF, on May 17 2010, 11:59 AM, said:

Shame on you for violating copyright and then not owning up to it. You should be grateful that people like Martin are sharing these photos for us to see, not ripping them off

Sounds quite malicious if you ask me. You accused him of personally ripping off copyrighted photos and then lying about it, after he had already stated he received the photos through a third party, which did not include a notice of copyright. If these photos are on display at Metro Transit, or were given to him by another driver, how is he to know that Barp/Martin holds any copyright on these?

Next time try thinking for a moment before you just assume malicious intent, then berate somebody over it.
I'm just grateful he had a change of heart and decided to stay with us.

[D40LF]

hfx_chris, on May 18 2010, 03:18 PM, said:

I think most normal people would go on the defence too when presented with a highly accusational comment like yours.


Sounds quite malicious if you ask me. You accused him of personally ripping off copyrighted photos and then lying about it, after he had already stated he received the photos through a third party, which did not include a notice of copyright. If these photos are on display at Metro Transit, or were given to him by another driver, how is he to know that Barp/Martin holds any copyright on these?

Next time try thinking for a moment before you just assume malicious intent, then berate somebody over it.
I'm just grateful he had a change of heart and decided to stay with us.

I did think about it. Like I said my reaction was based on the fact that no conisderation of the facts was taken. Enough said.

[MCW Metrobus]

hfx_chris, on May 18 2010, 01:18 PM, said:

If these photos are on display at Metro Transit, or were given to him by another driver, how is he to know that Barp/Martin holds any copyright on these?

I also just remembered that I have seen this sort of thing happen before, too. A long time ago (back before I knew any better) I made an edit, just for fun, to a photo of a Translink bus (not taken by me, but the photo was uncredited). I sent it privately to a couple of friends, just for shits and giggles. About two years later, a different friend (who was a bit of a bus fan in his university days) got hired as a summer student cleaning and fueling buses at a Translink garage. At one point he said he had something funny to show me that someone had posted in the garage. I took one look - it was the very same photo! I have no idea how it managed to find its way there, because at the time that I made it, I didn't have any contacts at transit, much less would I send it to them.

So, with that being said, it was probably a chain effect - albeit there was no removing of credits in my case, because there was no credit to begin with. And in my own defence, back then, I didn't know any better. I wasn't a regular at this board, I didn't know ANY of the people I know now, including the webmasters of the websites that seem to be most often targeted by copyright thieves. I didn't even take pictures of buses, and I've been taking pictures of buses since I was 18. (The greater part of the population of this board probably got an earlier start than me, but I wasn't much of a bus fan in high school other than frequenting the websites mentioned above.)