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#41 dj.surf.lfs

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 03:35 PM

Thunder Bay has a scrapped Caledon Transit Grumman in a scrap yard somewhere in the city.
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#42 pccstreetcar4549

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 04:34 PM

a couple years ago i saw a vaughan gruman being advertised for sale on the auto trader website in the RV section. im not sure if its still around

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Posted 04 November 2007 - 06:30 PM

a couple years ago i saw a vaughan gruman being advertised for sale on the auto trader website in the RV section. im not sure if its still around


The London ones were in the Auto trader too quite a few years back.
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Posted 12 November 2007 - 11:58 PM

Should be noted that Their not Our buses..their a local tour company's and the bus last time I checked it was for sale.

I found some info on the sale:
http://www.fallstour...sesforsale.html
http://toronto.kijij...QQAdIdZ27805885
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Posted 09 May 2008 - 11:22 AM

Is there any more running as tour buses?

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Posted 09 May 2008 - 12:29 PM

UPDATE: The ex-Caledon Grumman that was parked in a random yard in Thunder Bay has been removed. Don't know what happened to it.
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Posted 09 May 2008 - 01:18 PM

This maybe what you're looking for?


Yes I remember the bus very well. I didn`t ride it but I saw it alot (More times than 142)
My first sighting was when the bus did 3 Waterloo/Fife. It stopped and these 2 little lights started flashing at the rear. my next one was on 1 Woodlawn I was on my school trip it was following my bus, it stopped and I asked the teacher about this bus. He came back here to see it and he was very surprised to see it. It still had the logos on it and the number 70. we also hade 2 Classics as well. 1 from Grand rapids and UTAH. I remember see a pic of the Grumman and the 2 classics on a website. the Grumman was parked at the garage with 127, 71 (UTAH Classic) was outside and 72 (1990 Grand Rapids Classic) was in the garage.

The bus looked like this but parked beside 127 at the guelph garage.
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The site was somewhat like this.
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Posted 09 May 2008 - 02:03 PM

Never mind I found them.

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Posted 11 May 2008 - 07:28 PM

there is 1-3 units on Bartor Rd near Arrow and Sheppard along with MCI and Prevosts. most look like parts units with others being used for party bus/ tour use

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:10 PM

While cleaning my office in preparation for retirement I found the paperwork for our use of the Grumman 870 in July 2000.
The VIN # 1GF4AC8K7AD092937

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Posted 19 March 2014 - 11:13 PM

While cleaning my office in preparation for retirement I found the paperwork for our use of the Grumman 870 in July 2000.
The VIN # 1GF4AC8K7AD092937

That was Santa Clara County Transit District (today's Santa Clara VTA) no. 1635. It used a Detroit Diesel 6V92TAC (turbo-aftercooled-California specs) and Allison V730 transmission.

No California deliveries of Grumman 870s would've used the 6V71N engine, but would instead use the 6V92TAC as a 6-cylinder engine option, or the 8V71TAE if it were V8-powered.

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Posted 20 March 2014 - 01:14 AM

That was Santa Clara County Transit District (today's Santa Clara VTA) no. 1635. It used a Detroit Diesel 6V92TAC (turbo-aftercooled-California specs) and Allison V730 transmission.

No California deliveries of Grumman 870s would've used the 6V71N engine, but would instead use the 6V92TAC as a 6-cylinder engine option, or the 8V71TAE if it were V8-powered.

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I'd guess a lot of those ex-SCVTA units were bought outright by National Refurbishing and leased around (some long term leases) to different agencies in Ontario. Putting all the pieces together for this one:

* SCVTA 1635, likely acquired by National Leasing after retirement, leased to: Brantford Transit 9817 (lasted 1996-1998), to Vaughan Transit 908 (BK2 788, ret 2000?), leased to Belleville Transit as 908 (BK4 232, Summer 2000)

Still unknown which Brantford one became Vaughan Transit 909.

Others in Ontario:
As for YRT, none of them made it into the YRT merge. They operated under the older Vaughan Transit era. They had 5 of them in total.
- 601 ex-Windsor, ex-Santa Clara
- 606 ex-Windsor, ex-Santa Clara
- 904 ex-Dallas DART
- 907 & 908 ex-Brantford, ex-Santa Clara

Also worth mentioning is that Vaughan Transit kept the one's from Transit Windsor and Brantford in their respective colors. They only slapped on a large Vaughan Transit logo on the sides and front.


Some corrections to the above (even though it's all old): 904 was actually a shorty 30' Orion I, 907 should be the ex-Dallas DART unit (probably an 800 or 900 series unit), and 908-909 ex-Brantford.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 10:59 AM

I'd guess a lot of those ex-SCVTA units were bought outright by National Refurbishing and leased around (some long term leases) to different agencies in Ontario. Putting all the pieces together for this one:

* SCVTA 1635, likely acquired by National Leasing after retirement, leased to: Brantford Transit 9817 (lasted 1996-1998), to Vaughan Transit 908 (BK2 788, ret 2000?), leased to Belleville Transit as 908 (BK4 232, Summer 2000)

Still unknown which Brantford one became Vaughan Transit 909.



Some corrections to the above (even though it's all old): 904 was actually a shorty 30' Orion I, 907 should be the ex-Dallas DART unit (probably an 800 or 900 series unit), and 908-909 ex-Brantford.



London had 23 of these giant tubs of goo. I'll fish out the list & post it at some point. One thing that made these notable while in LTC service was it was easy to apply the wrap to them, so they tended to be used a lot for total-wrap ad buses.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 12:49 PM

There is some history how these Grumman's came to Windsor, Brantford and London. These three properties went to Calf. to review some buses they were shown New Looks not Grumman buses and that is what Transit Windsor thought they where getting until the Grumman's showed up in Windsor. TW was not happy with National Refurbishing with the change of buses, but kept them, that's why when to lease was done they told NF to get them off the property ASAP. They where nothing but a maintenance night mare, on some visit to the garage all six would be in for repairs, in fact #605 never run in service as it blow a engine when delivered and TW just never got around to replacing it when NR sent them a replacement one. The best thing Windsor did was to not purchase them from NR like Brantford and London did.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 02:14 PM

Would be nice to find some here still. I do remember riding the ones in Guelph. They had a nice comfortable seating, nice interior but it is a shame that they were not reliable.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 03:48 PM

in fact #605 never run in service as it blow a engine when delivered and TW just never got around to replacing it when NR sent them a replacement one.


One of the London ones blew up on the 401 outside town. The person delivering it chose to ignore the series of check engine & low lube lights, figuring they were close enough they would make it, so it would be LTC's problem. These things were peices of crap, universally hated by operators, mechanics and passengers alike.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 02:21 PM

One of the London ones blew up on the 401 outside town. The person delivering it chose to ignore the series of check engine & low lube lights, figuring they were close enough they would make it, so it would be LTC's problem. These things were peices of crap, universally hated by operators, mechanics and passengers alike.


You could see those things coming a KM or two away with the black smoke they gave out.




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