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New York MTA to "consider" double decker buses |
 May 22 2008, 11:29 PM
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Article here: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/...e-decker-buses/
It would definitely be interesting should this actually come to fruition... and the buses in question will most likely be Alexander Dennis Enviro 500s. -------------------- "I would put a tax... on all people... who stand... in water."
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May 22 2008, 11:48 PM
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Shouldn't be too big of an issue - they already have Gray Line sightseeing tours using double deckers, don't they?
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May 23 2008, 01:17 AM
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It is what it is. Group: Wiki Editors Posts: 2,550 Joined: 11-September 07 From: Glassell Park, Los Angeles Member No.: 2,804 |
QUOTE (A. Wong @ May 22 2008, 08:48 PM)  Shouldn't be too big of an issue - they already have Gray Line sightseeing tours using double deckers, don't they? Gray Line has Dennis Tridents with Duple Metsec bodywork as well as Alexander Dennis Enviro 500s, but those are open-top buses which are significantly shorter than standard closed-top versions. CitySights NY, another sightseeing company, runs a number of converted double-decker Orion I and Gillig Phantom buses with removable roofs. When they operate with the roofs attached (about the same height as a standard double-decker bus), they don't seem to have any clearance issues. The only obstacle facing the MTA would be clearance at some of its garages -- most are not tall enough to accommodate a standard double-decker bus. Also, a number of tunnels in the region can't even fit open-top double-reckers. -------------------- "I would put a tax... on all people... who stand... in water."
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May 23 2008, 10:24 AM
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Administrator Group: Root Admin Posts: 13,802 Joined: 22-August 06 From: Edmonton, AB Member No.: 1 |
Ah, for sure - maintenance could be an issue. They park their MCI coaches outside, so double deckers would probably have to be too. Oh well, another demonstrator coming in the future maybe!
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May 24 2008, 05:13 AM
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QUOTE (The Port of Authority @ May 23 2008, 03:17 PM) Gray Line has Dennis Tridents with Duple Metsec bodywork as well as Alexander Dennis Enviro 500s, but those are open-top buses which are significantly shorter than standard closed-top versions. CitySights NY, another sightseeing company, runs a number of converted double-decker Orion I and Gillig Phantom buses with removable roofs. When they operate with the roofs attached (about the same height as a standard double-decker bus), they don't seem to have any clearance issues. The only obstacle facing the MTA would be clearance at some of its garages -- most are not tall enough to accommodate a standard double-decker bus. Also, a number of tunnels in the region can't even fit open-top double-reckers. Those tridents/Enviro 500 are in the length of 40ft. --------------------  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reaching New Heights in Australia and North America |
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May 24 2008, 07:06 PM
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It is what it is. Group: Wiki Editors Posts: 2,550 Joined: 11-September 07 From: Glassell Park, Los Angeles Member No.: 2,804 |
QUOTE (sbs7207b @ May 24 2008, 01:13 AM) Those tridents/Enviro 500 are in the length of 40ft. That's true, but the Enviro 500 is approximately 14 feet tall and that's too much for some of the area tunnels. -------------------- "I would put a tax... on all people... who stand... in water."
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May 26 2008, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE (The Port of Authority @ May 25 2008, 12:06 AM) That's true, but the Enviro 500 is approximately 14 feet tall and that's too much for some of the area tunnels. im sure if MTA wanted for the right price and ordered a good number that Dennis or any other company will build something that would fit the tunnels |
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May 26 2008, 02:54 PM
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I think there are already two different heights of double deckers (maybe not the Enviro 500 though?), but if the tunnels are an issue they should probably just look at more coaches...
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May 26 2008, 03:30 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 3,918 Joined: 31-August 06 From: Toronto East Member No.: 223 |
QUOTE (A. Wong @ May 26 2008, 07:54 PM) I think there are already two different heights of double deckers (maybe not the Enviro 500 though?), but if the tunnels are an issue they should probably just look at more coaches... depends if they want to use them on tunnel routes???????????? |
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May 26 2008, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (A. Wong @ May 26 2008, 02:54 PM) I think there are already two different heights of double deckers (maybe not the Enviro 500 though?), but if the tunnels are an issue they should probably just look at more coaches... Yes, there are two heights for the E500. I think all North American ones are just under 14 ft. The other height is just over 14 ft. -------------------- "...Brantford is only the third city in Canada to have hybrid buses, along with Cobourg and Thunder Bay." — Brantford Expositor
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May 26 2008, 06:27 PM
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Dont forget New York used to operate Leyland Atlanteans in the 70's, they would have been full height. |
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May 26 2008, 10:02 PM
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The Van Hool TD925, however, could be spec'd to have a transit-style variant...and it is 13'2" in height.
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May 28 2008, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE (The Port of Authority @ May 22 2008, 11:29 PM) Article here: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/...e-decker-buses/ It would definitely be interesting should this actually come to fruition... and the buses in question will most likely be Alexander Dennis Enviro 500s. NYCTA also experimented with double deckers in the late 1970's. Attached is a shot of D3, taken on 5th Avenue in Manhattan in May of 1979. Kevin
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May 28 2008, 06:39 PM
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It is what it is. Group: Wiki Editors Posts: 2,550 Joined: 11-September 07 From: Glassell Park, Los Angeles Member No.: 2,804 |
QUOTE (Kevin_N @ May 28 2008, 02:54 PM) NYCTA also experimented with double deckers in the late 1970's. Attached is a shot of D3, taken on 5th Avenue in Manhattan in May of 1979. Kevin As far as I know, that test program failed because the buses in question were poorly built. -------------------- "I would put a tax... on all people... who stand... in water."
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May 28 2008, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE (The Port of Authority @ May 28 2008, 05:39 PM) As far as I know, that test program failed because the buses in question were poorly built. not true |
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May 28 2008, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE (Centralsmt @ May 28 2008, 04:15 PM) not true That's what I've heard from multiple sources. -------------------- "I would put a tax... on all people... who stand... in water."
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May 28 2008, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (Centralsmt @ May 28 2008, 07:15 PM) not true That what's the "real" story? --------------------  ♫ One of these is not like the other ♫ |
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May 28 2008, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE (mtltransitguy @ May 28 2008, 05:36 PM) That what's the "real" story? There was a related issue regarding the low clearances underneath traffic light arms on the streets where the double deckers were to operate, although that was rectified. I've heard that faulty components within the bus forced their early retirement. But if that's not the case, I'm still waiting for the "real" story as well.... -------------------- "I would put a tax... on all people... who stand... in water."
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May 28 2008, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (Kevin_N @ May 28 2008, 05:54 PM) NYCTA also experimented with double deckers in the late 1970's. Attached is a shot of D3, taken on 5th Avenue in Manhattan in May of 1979. Kevin Gee, I can see small tagging already. -------------------- More and more transit system are sticking to LF because of economical issues! Where as HF, it will be a rare to see in much future times!
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May 28 2008, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (The Port of Authority @ May 28 2008, 07:52 PM) There was a related issue regarding the low clearances underneath traffic light arms on the streets where the double deckers were to operate, although that was rectified. I've heard that faulty components within the bus forced their early retirement. But if that's not the case, I'm still waiting for the "real" story as well.... All political, and very well documented in publications of the history of Leyland Buses. I'd recommend the book The Leyland Bus by Doug Jack as a reference point. The fact that near identical buses were operating in Bhagdad at the same time is also interesting......................as I said all very political. The vast majority of them, 7 of the 8, actually saw service in the US and Canada for close on 30 years, says volumes for how good a vehicle the Atlantean actually was. |
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