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AMT Leases 7 Locomotives and 14 Coaches from New Jersey Transit, Get your cameras ready!!!! |
 Jul 26 2008, 11:17 AM
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 CIT Specialist - SURF 677(21)7 Group: Wiki Editors Posts: 1,984 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Montreal, QC Member No.: 1,692  |
The AMT just released the consist of the NJT Locomotives and Coaches they've leased. Based on the amount of locomotives, we might see NJT locomotives with AMT coaches:
General Motors Electro-Motive Division F40PH-2CAT Locomotives built in 1981. (3000 HP) NJTR 4117 (Photo) NJTR 4118 General Motors Electro-Motive Division GP40FH-2 Locomotives built between 1966-1970. (3000 HP) NJTR 4135 (Photo) NJTR 4137 NJTR 4140 NJTR 4143 (Photo) NJTR 4144 115-seat St. Louis Car Co. Comet 1B Commuter Cab Car built in ??? Rebuilt by Morrison-Knudsen 1987-1988 NJTR 5156 NJTR 5157 (Photo) 121-seat St. Louis Car Co. Comet 1B Commuter Cab Car built in ??? Rebuilt by Morrison-Knudsen 1987-1988 NJTR 5220 NJTR 5221 NJTR 5222 NJTR 5225 NJTR 5226 NJTR 5227 NJTR 5228 NJTR 5229 NJTR 5231 NJTR 5232 NJTR 5233 NJTR 5234 -------------------- Alex
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Jul 26 2008, 12:02 PM
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Why are they leasing them, and for how long?
I decided to not come to Montreal this year, mainly because of the trolleybus decision in Edmonton, and so wanting to make sure I get some good shots this year of trolleybuses before they might be gone. I'm hoping now to make it to Montreal in April or May of 2009. I'm certainly hoping the NJT equipment is still around then! -------------------- |
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Jul 26 2008, 12:12 PM
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CIT Specialist - SURF 677(21)7 Group: Wiki Editors Posts: 1,984 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Montreal, QC Member No.: 1,692 |
QUOTE (M. Parsons @ Jul 26 2008, 11:02 AM)  Why are they leasing them, and for how long? I decided to not come to Montreal this year, mainly because of the trolleybus decision in Edmonton, and so wanting to make sure I get some good shots this year of trolleybuses before they might be gone. I'm hoping now to make it to Montreal in April or May of 2009. I'm certainly hoping the NJT equipment is still around then! They're leasing them because the Quebec Government told transit authorities to come up with "Emergency Plans" to increase, train and bus service in the Greater Montreal Area. All this was done because of the dramatic increase in the price of gas recently. I don't know how long they'll be in Montreal but I'll be on the lookout for them.... -------------------- Alex
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Jul 26 2008, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE (kellergraham @ Jul 26 2008, 12:12 PM) They're leasing them because the Quebec Government told transit authorities to come up with "Emergency Plans" to increase, train and bus service in the Greater Montreal Area. All this was done because of the dramatic increase in the price of gas recently. I don't know how long they'll be in Montreal but I'll be on the lookout for them.... Where they surplus? Is that why they are up for lease? |
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Jul 26 2008, 02:53 PM
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What lines will they run on? Where will we be able to spot them?
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Jul 26 2008, 08:41 PM
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Group: Wiki Editors Posts: 4,925 Joined: 22-August 06 Member No.: 39 |
7 locomotives???
Something big is coming - they won't be running 2 car Comet's behind them, and I don't think they have enough equipment to make those trains that much longer. Dan |
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Jul 26 2008, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE (smallspy @ Jul 26 2008, 07:41 PM) 7 locomotives??? Something big is coming - they won't be running 2 car Comet's behind them, and I don't think they have enough equipment to make those trains that much longer. Dan Sorry to be frank here, but this gas price increase is not subsiding anytime soon. i dont understand why they didnt see this comming? Do they have something on order in place of what is being leased? Unless this is a semi long term solution? I dont see GO transit in a panic leasing equiptment.....is that due to better long term growth planning? |
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Jul 26 2008, 09:41 PM
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They have 160 Multilevels on order. Unfortunately, they won't be arriving until all of NJT's order is delivered, which is projected to be sometime early next year.
These 14 cars (plus anything else they have coming, which I'm thinking that they do) will allow them to operate more trains until the first of those 160 cars arrive. You don't see GO in a panic because they haven't been told by the Government to be in a panic - I'm sure that behind the scenes they are kicking themselves that they can't greatly increase the size and number of trains that they run. Dan |
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Jul 27 2008, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE (Shaun @ Jul 26 2008, 01:40 PM) Where they surplus? Is that why they are up for lease? NJ Transit had gotten 33 PL42AC locos from Alstom, but only now are surplus GP40-FH2s (the 4130-4144 batch) being retired. The two F40PH-2CATs are the only ones I know that are off the NJT roster. Also, you must note that the cars (which are 40 years old) being leased may be for add-ons to trains with the locos being also for more trains plus spares. QUOTE (smallspy @ Jul 26 2008, 08:41 PM) They have 160 Multilevels on order. Unfortunately, they won't be arriving until all of NJT's order is delivered, which is projected to be sometime early next year. These 14 cars (plus anything else they have coming, which I'm thinking that they do) will allow them to operate more trains until the first of those 160 cars arrive. You don't see GO in a panic because they haven't been told by the Government to be in a panic - I'm sure that behind the scenes they are kicking themselves that they can't greatly increase the size and number of trains that they run. Dan Actually, it's 326 on order, which will be a replacement for the Comet Is, Comet IIIs, and a partial replacement for the Arrow III MU cars (the remainder will be replaced by 110 EMUs). -------------------- |
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Jul 27 2008, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE (aemoreira81 @ Jul 27 2008, 12:43 AM) Actually, it's 326 on order, which will be a replacement for the Comet Is, Comet IIIs, and a partial replacement for the Arrow III MU cars (the remainder will be replaced by 110 EMUs). AMT's order is only for 30 with the option for 130 more. See: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/20...ytrain1218.html QUOTE (stm_5307N @ Jul 26 2008, 02:53 PM) What lines will they run on? Where will we be able to spot them? That, now is like asking where we'll see 60-013 next  The NJT locomotives and coaches will probably be added to the CP Pool. As soon as I get more info, this thread will be updated! -------------------- Alex
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Jul 27 2008, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE (kellergraham @ Jul 27 2008, 01:04 AM) AMT's order is only for 30 with the option for 130 more. See: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/20...ytrain1218.html That, now is like asking where we'll see 60-013 next The NJT locomotives and coaches will probably be added to the CP Pool. As soon as I get more info, this thread will be updated! I'm sorry, when I said 326, that was the NJT order I was referring to (of the same cars), which was 234, then 279, and now 326. And sorry that you have to wait. 
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Jul 28 2008, 11:40 PM
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Wow, this is great!
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Jul 29 2008, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE (mtltransitguy @ Jul 28 2008, 11:40 PM) Wow, this is great! Any tentative arrival dates? None yet. Hopefully the AMT will send out a Press Release or a Notice to Passengers when they do arrive (seeing that schedules are likely to be modified). -------------------- Alex
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Jul 29 2008, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (kellergraham @ Jul 26 2008, 11:17 AM) 115-seat St. Louis Car Co. Comet 1B Commuter Cab Car built in ??? Rebuilt by Morrison-Knudsen 1987-1988 NJTR 5156 NJTR 5157 (Photo) 121-seat St. Louis Car Co. Comet 1B Commuter Cab Car built in ??? Rebuilt by Morrison-Knudsen 1987-1988 NJTR 5220 NJTR 5221 NJTR 5222 NJTR 5225 NJTR 5226 NJTR 5227 NJTR 5228 NJTR 5229 NJTR 5231 NJTR 5232 NJTR 5233 NJTR 5234 One thing I see is the Candiac/Delson line getting these cars to increase capacity. Right now they are full up using GP9RM + EGU + four 90 seat Go-Go's on each set. Using NJT Cars would increase the number of seats by about 30% with the same 4 cars, or better yet: F40PH + Four 121 seat coach + One 115 seat cab, giving a increase of ~67%!! (This last option is only possible if deleting the EGU gives enough space to park an extra coach) Mike -------------------- How can we win if fools can be Kings? -Muse
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Jul 29 2008, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE (2-8-2 Mike @ Jul 29 2008, 02:16 PM) One thing I see is the Candiac/Delson line getting these cars to increase capacity. Right now they are full up using GP9RM + EGU + four 90 seat Go-Go's on each set. Using NJT Cars would increase the number of seats by about 30% with the same 4 cars, or better yet: F40PH + Four 121 seat coach + One 115 seat cab, giving a increase of ~67%!! (This last option is only possible if deleting the EGU gives enough space to park an extra coach) Mike Do they have proper cab signaling equipment installed? |
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Jul 29 2008, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE (Shaun @ Jul 29 2008, 02:14 PM) Do they have proper cab signaling equipment installed? AFAIK none of the lines AMT runs a use cab signalling (Deux-Montagnes maybe, but I doubt it ), so I would assume that any equipment for that would be removed by NJT before delivery. -------------------- How can we win if fools can be Kings? -Muse
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Jul 29 2008, 08:08 PM
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CIT Specialist - SURF 677(21)7 Group: Wiki Editors Posts: 1,984 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Montreal, QC Member No.: 1,692 |
QUOTE (2-8-2 Mike @ Jul 29 2008, 01:16 PM) One thing I see is the Candiac/Delson line getting these cars to increase capacity. Right now they are full up using GP9RM + EGU + four 90 seat Go-Go's on each set. Using NJT Cars would increase the number of seats by about 30% with the same 4 cars, or better yet: F40PH + Four 121 seat coach + One 115 seat cab, giving a increase of ~67%!! (This last option is only possible if deleting the EGU gives enough space to park an extra coach) Mike I never know why the AMT never thought of that. That EGU takes up too much space and we already have enough Go-Go's to add one more car to each sets (2 total). QUOTE (Shaun @ Jul 29 2008, 02:14 PM) Do they have proper cab signaling equipment installed? No AMT lines, including the Deux-Montagnes line, use cab signaling. -------------------- Alex
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Jul 29 2008, 10:38 PM
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Great initiative by AMT. I foresee that with the Turcot Interchange major road work, the CP Vaudreuil Sub will see increased demand on Vaudreuil-Rigaud and Delson-Candiac lines for sure, perhaps Blainville--St-Jerome as well (CN Deux-Montagnes is always crowded at rush hours but I digress). Since the CP line bypasses Turcot significantly, maybe the AMT wants to buy more rolling stock before people freak out and crowd already crowded trains. Get ready also for a bunch of buses from the West to short turn at Angrignon ex: 211, 221.
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Jul 29 2008, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE (SMS @ Jul 29 2008, 10:38 PM) Great initiative by AMT. I foresee that with the Turcot Interchange major road work, the CP Vaudreuil Sub will see increased demand on Vaudreuil-Rigaud and Delson-Candiac lines for sure, perhaps Blainville--St-Jerome as well (CN Deux-Montagnes is always crowded at rush hours but I digress). Since the CP line bypasses Turcot significantly, maybe the AMT wants to buy more rolling stock before people freak out and crowd already crowded trains. Get ready also for a bunch of buses from the West to short turn at Angrignon ex: 211, 221. So if they dont have cab signaling then is everything controlled by Central Control? Do we have cab signaling on Go transit? |
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Jul 29 2008, 11:42 PM
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CIT Specialist - SURF 677(21)7 Group: Wiki Editors Posts: 1,984 Joined: 6-May 07 From: Montreal, QC Member No.: 1,692 |
QUOTE (Shaun @ Jul 29 2008, 10:04 PM) So if they dont have cab signaling then is everything controlled by Central Control? Do we have cab signaling on Go transit? Well... Since you asked: Deux-Montagnes Line - CN Deux-Montagnes Subdivision (Central Station to Deux-Montagnes) - Entirely CTC including switches and sidings Vaudreuil Line - CP Westmount Subdivision (Windsor to Montreal-West) - Entirely CTC including switches and sidings - CP Vaudreuil Subdivision (Montreal-West to Dorion) - CTC from Montreal-West to Dorval - OCS/ABS from Dorval to Dorion - AMT M&O Subdivision (Dorion to Rigaud) - OCS/ABS from Dorion to Rigaud - I'm told CTC is used in the Vaudreuil yard..... Blainville Line - CP Adirondack Subdivision (Montreal-West to Parc) - Entirely CTC - CP Parc Subdivision (Parc to Saint-Jerome) - Currently OCS/ABS from Parc until Saint-Antoine Yard (just before St-Jerome station) - CTC is being installed at Saint-Martin Junction Saint-Hilaire Line - CN Saint-Hyacinthe Subdivision (Central to Saint-Hilaire) - Entirely CTC including switches and sidings Delson / Candiac Line - CP Adirondack Subdivision (Montreal-West to Candiac) - CTC from Montreal-West to Delson - OCS/ABS from Delson to Candiac Alex -------------------- Alex
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