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#4701 drum118

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 01:41 AM

I expect the 19's will be a little late this coming weekend.
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On Saturday, June 25 at 11 p.m. until Sunday, June 26 at 9 a.m. eastbound and westbound lanes on Highway 401 from Hurontario Street to Mavis Road will be closed for the removal of the old Hurontario Street bridge.

"As part of the work to widen Highway 401, a full closure of the eastbound and westbound lanes is necessary and detour routes during the critical hours will be in effect," said Zeljko Subic, capital project manager, Engineering & Works Division.

During this closure, Highway 401 traffic will be detoured as follows:

• Highway 401 eastbound traffic will be detoured onto Mavis Road south to Britannia Road, east to Hurontario Street, and north to Highway 401 East.

• Highway 401 westbound traffic will be detoured onto Hurontario Street north to Courtneypark Drive, west to Mavis Road, and south to Highway 401 West.

• Hurontario Street will have one northbound lane open and two southbound lanes open.

• Ramp from Highway 410 southbound to Highway 401 westbound will be closed. Traffic will be detoured off Highway 410 southbound at Derry Road, west to Mavis Road, and south to Highway 401 west.

Information signs will be posted on the highway in advance of, and during the closure to provide motorists with alternative routes.

For more information on the road closure please contact Zeljko Subic, capital project manager, Engineering & Works Division at 905-615-3200 extension 5830.

#4702 Gil

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 11:59 PM

I guess they've started construction along Burnhamthorpe in Etobicoke. Another case of rerouting via a sidestreet. I hope a fresh crop of NIMBYs don't sprout from all of these detour routings.

Urgent Service Alerts
Detour Burnhamthorpe between Ashbourne and Kipling
Disruption: Detour
Reason: Construction
Duration: Daily until 7:00 p.m.
Alternative facilities or services: Units turning right on Martingrove left on Goswell left on Kipling to normal.

With school wrapping up I can just imagine parents complaining about the increased traffic due to the detour. Although there will probably a fair share of motorists trying to bypass the construction zone as well.

When the next phase from East Mall to Martin Grove begins they'll have to get a little more creative with detours since there isn't a convenient sidestreet they can use. The construction from East Mall to Kipling is supposed to wrap up by December 2012.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 10:41 PM

miWAY XD40's have entered production up in Winnipeg!!!!!

From pictures here I can spot 3 currently underway. There may be more of course.

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#4704 Gil

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 11:31 PM

The revised system maps are finally available online reflecting July's Service Changes. The Express map seems to omit mentioning that the 109 serves the City Centre Terminal. It's shown as passing it, but it's missing from the box of connecting routes.

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Weekday map: http://www.mississau...Map_Jul2011.pdf
Express map: http://www.mississau...Map_Jul2011.pdf
Saturday map: http://www.mississau...Map_Jul2011.pdf
Sunday/Holiday map: http://www.mississau...Map_Jul2011.pdf
Weekday Accessible map: http://www.mississau...Map_Jul2011.pdf

Question: GO Transit does not serve Lisgar GO Station outside of weekdays. Should the 38A be running into the station on weekends and holidays or is it simply a point to turn around while still serving the Westgate SmartCentre? The old loop has since been redeveloped as part of the big box centre.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 12:17 PM

#1101 has been delivered. 2011 New Flyer XD40.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 07:47 PM

#1101 has been delivered. 2011 New Flyer XD40.

Oh, I do believe that its early. Any shots?

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:04 PM

Oh, I do believe that its early. Any shots?


You saw pics of them at the plant.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:15 PM

You saw pics of them at the plant.

......and? :P

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:29 AM

Question: GO Transit does not serve Lisgar GO Station outside of weekdays. Should the 38A be running into the station on weekends and holidays or is it simply a point to turn around while still serving the Westgate SmartCentre? The old loop has since been redeveloped as part of the big box centre.

Well actually, you just answered your question. The bus needs to loop somewhere, even if the GO Station is useless outside the rush (and other specific GO Bus trips I don't know about).

It would have been nice that if they're likely using an El Dorado for the 38A, that Smart!Centres would have been smart! enough to actually make the road alongside the stores BUS-worthy, and possibly try to be a north-western mini-facility for transit to come to it. But, knowing Messy N' Soggy, ON... Anyway, It could have served through that big-box nonsense making three stops along the way or using that tower as the meeting point. Maybe get Brampton on that too if they continue to "Grow with You".

Then again, all that thought... you might as well just go to Lisgar GO anyway. It's down the street, and it's fit/made for buses anyhow. And that can be the next terminal for upper Meadowvale.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:23 AM

Well actually, you just answered your question. The bus needs to loop somewhere, even if the GO Station is useless outside the rush (and other specific GO Bus trips I don't know about).

It would have been nice that if they're likely using an El Dorado for the 38A, that Smart!Centres would have been smart! enough to actually make the road alongside the stores BUS-worthy, and possibly try to be a north-western mini-facility for transit to come to it. But, knowing Messy N' Soggy, ON... Anyway, It could have served through that big-box nonsense making three stops along the way or using that tower as the meeting point. Maybe get Brampton on that too if they continue to "Grow with You".

Then again, all that thought... you might as well just go to Lisgar GO anyway. It's down the street, and it's fit/made for buses anyhow. And that can be the next terminal for upper Meadowvale.


I don't know if they could use the internal roads at the Westgate SmartCentre to loop the 38A. Something similar to Trinity Commons. Seeing as it'd only be the one route that setup might be overkill. It'd probably look like some small town bus loop which uses the mall as a focal point.

The Steeles 503(?) Züm corridor's second phase is supposed to run into Lisgar GO. Presumably when the far southwest of Brampton gets developed. There will probably be other routes feeding into it as well. It'd also make a convenient transfer point if Halton Hills ever got transit into Georgetown.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 09:01 PM

After driving up to the 401 to have a look at tonight road closure on the 401, I noticed flashing lights and road closure on Rathburn at Sq One and stop to take a look.

As of 7:30 pm, Square One area is close to traffic with some MT and GO buses on detour.

Rathburn from City View to Duke of York is close 100% to traffic and open to transit as a pre-test for July 1st crowd control. Some of MT buses drivers are missing the cut off for this closure.

Duke of York is close from Burnhamthorpe to Prince of Wales, putting MT 8, 26 and 61 on detour.

The first block east of Duke of York on City Centre is close 100% to all traffic including MT and GO.

The car folks are in for a treat on July 1st and expect to see some grid lock tying to get to Sq One mall and the Celebration at City Hall. Same road closure will be in effect on July 1st like there is tonight with some tweaking.

As for the 401, one northbound lane was being taken out of service while I was driving over the new bridge. All the earth has been removed from around the existing bridge, leaving the concrete exposed and easy to get at for tonight removal.

Should went up earlier to get some photos.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 11:39 AM

Looks like security camera installation is starting up again, 0871 has been equipped with cameras.
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Posted 27 June 2011 - 04:28 PM

......and? :(


You already saw pics of them and its very easy to picture them with wheels.
no need to get your panties tied in a knot over a XD40.
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Posted 27 June 2011 - 04:54 PM

You already saw pics of them and its very easy to picture them with wheels.
no need to get your panties tied in a knot over a XD40.


Especially since...

...they're not as good as you think.

#4715 Gil

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 12:13 AM

The extended service for Canada Day to accommodate the fireworks at City Hall seems even leaner than this past New Year's Eve service. Extended service will be offered on the 7 AIRPORT, 9 MEADOWVALE, 23 LAKESHORE, 34 CREDIT VALLEY and 110 UNIVERSITY EXPRESS. I'm guessing that will be on top of the regular slate of routes that are still running late nights on a holiday (i.e. 1 DUNDAS, 19 HURONTARIO, 26 BURNHAMTHORPE, etc.).

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 12:48 PM

Come Sept board change, 202 is cancel as well 102. 102 will be replace by Zum 502 route and it will service Shoppers World.

MT riders will see cash fare go up $.25, ticket's $.10 come April 2012. It is possible it may happen January.

MT is looking at 19.2% increase of operation cost to add 2% increase in service in 2012.

Cost ratio will fall to 49% in 2012.

Plan Sunday service for 4, 8, 65 and 68 cancel. No big lost since all of them would not meet cost recovery on day one, let alone after the 6 month trial program.

The new buses will have the same seating layout as Orion VII. There is talk that some of the existing buses maybe modify to match the new layout.

With the Sept board change, a new 103 will be introduce for all day, 6 days of the week service on Hurontario St, running from Port Credit to Shoppers World, bypass Sq One. Headway is to be 20 minutes for off peak and headways are subject to changes at this time.

The new terminal at Shoppers World is not schedule to open until 2013, leaving next to no room at the existing one for new MT service.

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 06:11 PM

Come Sept board change, 202 is cancel as well 102. 102 will be replace by Zum 502 route and it will service Shoppers World.
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With the Sept board change, a new 103 will be introduce for all day, 6 days of the week service on Hurontario St, running from Port Credit to Shoppers World, bypass Sq One. Headway is to be 20 minutes for off peak and headways are subject to changes at this time.

The new terminal at Shoppers World is not schedule to open until 2013, leaving next to no room at the existing one for new MT service.


Why cancel the 202 only to introduce the 103 which does the exact same thing (unless the 6th day is a Sunday and not a Saturday)?! Just renumber it! The 3 would potentially throw people off thinking it's a Bloor-based express route. Keeping it as 102 would maintain the consistency in the corridor with a hundred-based series ending with a 2. Bypassing City Centre would force transfers onto Hurontario north of the 403. I'm guessing the drastic route change would necessitate the renumbering, but then again, there have been other such changes without resorting to renumbering.

Either they're cutting back hoping BT will pick up the slack or they don't think there's much demand on the section between Shopper's World and City Centre if they're also cutting the 102.

Looking at the reports prepared for the Council meeting (see page 48), the 19 will also be rerouted to terminate at the 407 Carpool lot to connect with BT's 2 MAIN.


RECOMMENDATION:
That the City Clerk forward for infonnation the report dated June 15, 2011 from the Commissioner of Transportation and Works entitled, " Transit Service Integration - Hurontario Street" to the City of Brampton and Metrolinx.

BACKGROUND:
In 2008, the Cities of Mississauga and Brampton initiated the Hurontario-Main Street Study (Phase 1). The Phase 1 Study has been carried out as a Master Plan and has fulfilled the first two components of the Class Environmental Assessment (EA) by evaluating the project justification and recommending Light Rail Transit (LRT) technology for the corridor.
In order to grow ridership in support of a future LRT, MiWay and Brampton Transit are working together to implement a shared limited stop express service operating between the City Centre Transit Terminal (CCTT) and Brampton Transit's Shoppers World Terminal.

COMMENTS:
To improve ridership and reduce passenger travel time along the Hurontario corridor, MiWay has been operating limited stop service on weekdays during peak hours, covering the same stops the planned LRT will serve along Hurontario Street, between Port Credit and the Shoppers World bus terminal in Brampton. Ridership on both Route 102 - Intercity Express (City Centre-Shoppers) as well as Route 202-Hurontario Limited Stops (Port Credit-Shoppers) has been steadily growing. This growth is evident on Route 202 as customers take advantage of the time savings (up to 18 minutes) over the conventional Route 19 local service, when travelling between Port Credit and Shoppers World.
Discussions were initiated in 2008 with Brampton Transit with regards to establishing an integrated transit service along the Hurontario-Main Street corridor. This service is aimed at improving transit travel along the corridor while promoting ridership growth in preparation for the future LRT service.
Similar to Mississauga's MiExpress, Brampton has launched the ZUM service which uses BRT-style buses on limited stop express routes to provide an improved customer experience and more importantly, reduce travel time.
A joint staff team from both transit authorities have developed a desirable integration of services which will showcase the benefits of combining resources for the benefit of riders across municipal boundaries and, at the same time, provide more efficient use of transit resources.

Effective September 2011, MiWay and Brampton Transit will launch the integrated service on Main StreetlHurontario, running between Sandalwood Parkway and the City Centre Transit Terminal in Mississauga. A comparative route map is attached as Appendix 1 for illustrative purposes.
To accommodate the new integrated service, a number of changes to existing MiWay services on Hurontario will also be introduced in September 2011 :

Route 102 - Intercity Express to Become ZUM Route 502:
The MiExpress Route 102-Intercity Express service which currently operates between Shoppers World and the City Centre Transit Terminal will be replaced by ZUM Route 502. ZUM Route 502 will operate all day, seven days a week, and will be extended further north General Committee - 3 - June 15,2011 to Sandalwood Parkway. The result of this change provides more frequent service, extended service hours and new weekend service.
The resources currently assigned by MiWay to Route 102 (buses and operators) will be re-assigned to the new MiWay 103 Express outlined below.
Route 202 - Hurontario Limited Stops to Become 103 Express:
This MiLocal (limited stops) service will be transformed into a full MiExpress service using blue express buses. This service will operate six days a week (Monday through Saturday), including midday coverage, between Port Credit and Shoppers World. The new 103 Express will substantially improve transit travel on the busier portion of the Hurontario corridor, largely within Mississauga boundaries.
This change will also expand service from peak only to all-day express service without requiring additional resources.
Route 19-Hurontario to Connect with Brampton Route 2:
The MiWay Route 19-Hurontario service will no longer travel north to Shoppers World in Brampton. The Route 19 will connect with the Brampton-Route 2 service at the GO Transit 407 Park and Ride facility to ensure safe conditions for passenger transfers.

This change is a result of Brampton Transit's growth needs at the Shoppers World Terminal and the new Brampton Terminal at Hurontario Street and Steeles Ave. Although the terminals will still support the MiWay Express service, there is limited space for any further MiWay routes.
This local service adjustment will largely impact Brampton customers who have, up to now, travelled south on Route 19 into Mississauga.
Origin/destination studies at Shoppers World indicate that almost 85% of the passengers currently using the local service will be accommodated by the improved Express routes (ZUM Route 502 and MiWay 103 Express).
The remaining 16% are Brampton residents and they will be required to transfer to the local services at the GO Transit 407 Park and Ride facility to complete their trip.
To ensure that customer connections on the local services are convenient, planning staff from Mississauga and Brampton are coordinating route schedules and operational procedures. A joint team of staff are also working together to develop an extensive educational and information campaign to ensure the customer experience is seamless and convenient.


MT riders will see cash fare go up $.25, ticket's $.10 come April 2012. It is possible it may happen January.

MT is looking at 19.2% increase of operation cost to add 2% increase in service in 2012.

Cost ratio will fall to 49% in 2012.

Plan Sunday service for 4, 8, 65 and 68 cancel. No big lost since all of them would not meet cost recovery on day one, let alone after the 6 month trial program.

The new buses will have the same seating layout as Orion VII. There is talk that some of the existing buses maybe modify to match the new layout.


The 68 already has Sunday service. Are they planning on cutting it?

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Posted 29 June 2011 - 09:30 PM

My error for the 68 posting, but then who knows what council wanted on Tuesday when MT budget was up. Could not make the Tuesday Budget meeting.

As far as I am concern, 103 is a dead horse as 202 should stay, since people knows it doesn't go to Sq One now. Changing to a blue bus is no big deal, other than the southbound riders who will think its an 102 in the first place.

Odds on bet, you will find riders getting on the 103 going south thinking it going to Sq One the first few weeks in Sept.

As for 4 and 8 not getting Sunday service in September, it will save MT and the city money since 8 is already a lost between Port Credit and Clarkson today. Sat even worse. One reason 14 came back. I don't think the ridership is there for the section between Port Credit and Sq One on Sunday considering I know a number of people wanting this service and I am not one of them.

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Posted 02 July 2011 - 02:33 AM

There is a bylaw being pass on July 6, banning traffic for the new bus ramp off Hurontario St. Once pass and signs go up, the southbound buses will start using the ramp most liely by the weekend.

Here some shots of MT new Orion bus 1004 at July 1st event. The seating is not as per the Orion VII in service now with single seats gone. Watch thoses steps to the back as they are a little higher than the rest of the fleet. Rear seats are higher with the floor not slope up like they are on the rest of the Orion fleet, but feet stay on the floor for me. Single seat on the rear wheel well as one near the front facing sideway. There are more photos up on my site going from 43054 to 43074. The 4 is missing inside the bus. http://www.flickr.co.../drum118/page2/ as well 1

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Posted 05 July 2011 - 12:23 PM

#1101, #1104 and #1107 in maintenance..




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